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kot_kamУтащу с фейсбука.
Франс де Вааль пишет:
https://www.facebook.com/franspublic/posts/pfbid0iEfEuLP7BgdxVU6kJWPX1Gj31cH2YeCceJEV71rtLwnuMqKyQvArQ2UmoE1N5aN3l
SWEDISH CHIMPANZEE DRAMA
The more I hear about the escape and death of chimpanzees in the Swedish Furuvik Zoo, the more upset I get, because it all seems so unnecessary. At least three, perhaps four of them lost their lives on Wednesday.
The zoo spokesperson says that the apes were “euthanized.” But why use this term, which sounds benign, when we know that the zoo called in hunters with loaded guns to shoot and kill the escapees.
But it gets worse, the reason given is that “chimpanzees are strong and dangerous animals and the zoo's main focus is that no human gets hurt." This sounds good until one learns that the zoo was closed for the winter, hence no visitors were roaming the grounds. There was no imminent danger.
Further, among the chimpanzees shot was a three-year-old, which is a baby in chimpanzee terms, and absolutely harmless. Who in his right mind would shoot such a little ape?
I myself have been among escaped chimpanzees multiple times, and they are almost never in an aggressive mood. They seem lost and hesitant outside their territory, and are usually eager to return to where they came from. I have seen animal caretakers take them by the hand to lead them back. I am not saying that there is no danger, but nowadays many zoos show outsized panic.
The procedure should be as follows:
1 - Watch the escaped apes to see in what kind of mood they are. Most of the time they are just curiously walking about.
2 - If aggressive, you may need to dart them with a tranquilizer.
3 - If non-aggressive, bring in people they know and trust. This is usually not the veterinarian, and most certainly not hunters or police. Bring in animal caretakers whom they know, who will often be able to lead or lure them back.
4 - Shooting should always be the last resort.
Among the chimpanzees killed at the zoo was Santino (see photograph), who by now is 45 years old. Santino had become famous for giving a clear demonstration of planning for the future by apes, which was studied and written up by Mathias Osvath in Current Biology
(www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(09)00547-8.pdf)
The killing of these apes was horrendous and unnecessary. I don’t agree that this makes all zoos bad, because I do know quite a few excellent ones, and feel that urbanized humanity does need places to connect with and get educated about the last remnants of the biodiversity on earth. It’s not zoos per se that are the problem, but the fact that zoo administrations are often taken over by people who have no background in animals or biology, and are in it only for business reasons. They have no affinity to the animals they care for.
On the other hand, I have known directors who knew their zoo’s animals individually and by name, and would explore every possible option before “euthanizing” any of them.
И в качестве иллюстрации мне прислали видео про отлов шимпанзе здорового человека (сбежавшая самка в Харькове). Вот тут работница зоопарка делает все ровно так, как советует выше де Вааль.
https://www.facebook.com/dw.russian/videos/3248297375487926/
Франс де Вааль пишет:
https://www.facebook.com/franspublic/posts/pfbid0iEfEuLP7BgdxVU6kJWPX1Gj31cH2YeCceJEV71rtLwnuMqKyQvArQ2UmoE1N5aN3l
SWEDISH CHIMPANZEE DRAMA
The more I hear about the escape and death of chimpanzees in the Swedish Furuvik Zoo, the more upset I get, because it all seems so unnecessary. At least three, perhaps four of them lost their lives on Wednesday.
The zoo spokesperson says that the apes were “euthanized.” But why use this term, which sounds benign, when we know that the zoo called in hunters with loaded guns to shoot and kill the escapees.
But it gets worse, the reason given is that “chimpanzees are strong and dangerous animals and the zoo's main focus is that no human gets hurt." This sounds good until one learns that the zoo was closed for the winter, hence no visitors were roaming the grounds. There was no imminent danger.
Further, among the chimpanzees shot was a three-year-old, which is a baby in chimpanzee terms, and absolutely harmless. Who in his right mind would shoot such a little ape?
I myself have been among escaped chimpanzees multiple times, and they are almost never in an aggressive mood. They seem lost and hesitant outside their territory, and are usually eager to return to where they came from. I have seen animal caretakers take them by the hand to lead them back. I am not saying that there is no danger, but nowadays many zoos show outsized panic.
The procedure should be as follows:
1 - Watch the escaped apes to see in what kind of mood they are. Most of the time they are just curiously walking about.
2 - If aggressive, you may need to dart them with a tranquilizer.
3 - If non-aggressive, bring in people they know and trust. This is usually not the veterinarian, and most certainly not hunters or police. Bring in animal caretakers whom they know, who will often be able to lead or lure them back.
4 - Shooting should always be the last resort.
Among the chimpanzees killed at the zoo was Santino (see photograph), who by now is 45 years old. Santino had become famous for giving a clear demonstration of planning for the future by apes, which was studied and written up by Mathias Osvath in Current Biology
(www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(09)00547-8.pdf)
The killing of these apes was horrendous and unnecessary. I don’t agree that this makes all zoos bad, because I do know quite a few excellent ones, and feel that urbanized humanity does need places to connect with and get educated about the last remnants of the biodiversity on earth. It’s not zoos per se that are the problem, but the fact that zoo administrations are often taken over by people who have no background in animals or biology, and are in it only for business reasons. They have no affinity to the animals they care for.
On the other hand, I have known directors who knew their zoo’s animals individually and by name, and would explore every possible option before “euthanizing” any of them.
И в качестве иллюстрации мне прислали видео про отлов шимпанзе здорового человека (сбежавшая самка в Харькове). Вот тут работница зоопарка делает все ровно так, как советует выше де Вааль.
https://www.facebook.com/dw.russian/videos/3248297375487926/
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Date: 2022-12-18 09:48 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2022-12-18 10:49 am (UTC)Сволочи , сами привезли, сами убили, бедные животные..
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Date: 2022-12-18 12:00 pm (UTC)У Де Вааля профессиональная деформация все-таки. Если бы я жила по соседству, то считала бы действия администрации правильными.
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Date: 2022-12-18 12:59 pm (UTC)Так что проблема в кадрах, как и можно было подозревать.
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Date: 2022-12-20 08:56 am (UTC)Летом же в Дании в парке аттракционов сошел поезд с рельсов, есть жертвы. Меня и раньше в такие парки не тянуло, а теперь тем более.
Что касается зоопарков, то они, имхо, нужны ради своей образовательной функции, и я б очень хотела, чтобы дети могли походить в такой кружок, как юннаты в московском зоопарке, но в швеции такого нет.
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Date: 2022-12-20 09:45 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2022-12-20 06:55 pm (UTC)Понятно — эффективные менеджеры власть захватили.:(
В Петербурге — та же история.
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Date: 2022-12-20 06:53 pm (UTC)Таки реально редкий вид. И ближайший родственник.:)
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Date: 2022-12-18 01:01 pm (UTC)Там жилые дома в ста метрах.
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Date: 2022-12-20 06:53 pm (UTC)На фига ж тогда в таких зоопарках редких животных держать?:(
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